Rep. Linda Boudreau, R-Faribault and Sen.
Pat Pariseau, R-Farmington co-sponsored the Carry and Conceal Bill, aka The Minnesota
Personal Protection Act , Originally, in 2003, Senate File 842 and House File
261, in 2005, Senate file 2259.
She counted thousands of violent crimes in the 20 Minnesota counties
where handgun permits have been most restricted and added: "It's time that
we allow people to prevent the violence on themselves." "O.J. Simpson
was not seeking a permit, But maybe his wife needed one." - Sen. Pat
Pariseau of Farmington
Star Tribune
April 29, 2003 http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/concealcarry.htm
Sen. Pat Pariseau defends the new conceal-carry law because it imposes
sanctions on those who misuse weapons - REBECCA THOMAN Pioneer Press Editorial
5/17/2004 It doesn’t in any way.
Rep. Lynda Boudreau, R-Faribault was the co-sponsor of the bill and
while she never directly quoted crime rates herself, her committee hearings
made it clear that the intent of the bill was to stop crime: Eight citizens
testified before the committee and complained the current conceal-carry law
allows sheriffs and police chiefs to deny permits unjustifiably. Theresa
Schieffelbein said in a shaky voice that she wouldn't tell legislators how she
planned to assure her personal safety. "That sheriff made sure that I was
absolutely defenseless." http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-11176.html
Rep. Lynda
Boudreau, R-Faribault says the state would be safer because citizens would be
able to defend themselves. http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/02/11_scheckt_concealedcarry/
“I think there is
some assumption...that people feel they need more protection.” She predicted that anti-gun and pro-gun
groups will quickly learn which business allow guns and which will not, and will
make their shopping decisions accordingly - State Rep. Lynda Boudreau
(R-Faribault)
"…firearms are not being lost and found by
children." Rep. Lynda
Boudreau Op Ed May 25 2003 http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=62034 She was WAY off base on this one.
"I'll tell
you, this legislation undermines local control. The bill would make it very
difficult to deny a permit to all but the most severely mentally impaired or
chemically dependent person” - Rice County Sheriff Richard Cook, who was
absolutely correct, but was then dismissed dismissed by Rep. Bordreau http://www.southernminn.com/northfield_news/archives/article_758ca113-f069-5afb-ab58-673d19f0a380.html,
Other politicians
and advocates who weighed in on the Carry and Conceal law
WCCO-AM radio show, Governor Tim Pawlenty said other states have not
experienced more gunplay after making concealed weapons permits easier to get.
"The 38 other states that have the (`concealed carry`) law, on a per
capita or pro rata basis, are not experiencing any worse incidences of violent
crime or gun violence than Minnesota…people will be safer and crime will be
deterred." April 28, 2003
“Gov.
Pawlenty deserves appreciation for immediately signing this bill…to make
Minnesotans safer from crime.” Alan Gottleib http://www.ccrkba.org/?p=382
"For the
person who's carrying legally, that person is trained, who's had background
checks, who's got this permit legally and is a law-abiding citizen. As a matter
fact, to be frank, the fact that there's a few of those people peppered around
is reassuring to me because there's finally some folks that I can depend on
that may come to my protection," he said. Rep. Fran Bradley, R-Rochester http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/04/23_scheckt_guns/?refid=0
John Lott was a
person who was quoted extensively in the gun debate by both politicians and
advocates. The following quotes
are ones which were designed to make it seem like carry and conceal would stop
all crime.
“the survey I conducted during the fall of 2002 indicates
that simply brandishing a gun stops crimes 95 percent of the time, and other
surveys have also found high rates.”
John Lott, The Bias Against Guns, p 24
Regnery, March 2003.
The claim that there was something “funny” regarding the
slightly different survey estimates is also false. I cited that 95 percent of
defensive gun uses involving simple brandishing rather than 98 percent because
a new survey was conducted almost six years after the first one.
John R. Lott Jr., Letter, Minneapolis
Star Tribune, Aug 13 2003
Guns clearly deter criminals, with Americans using guns
defensively over 2 million times each year—4.5 times more frequently than the
500,000 times guns were used to commit crimes in 2001. Over 90 percent of the
time simply brandishing the weapon stops an attack.
John R. Lott Jr., Bound to Misfire,Tech
Central Station, Nov 7 2003
"The only thing that's going to stop the threat is
another armed threat." Rep. Tony Cornish, a Republican from Good
Thunder http://archive.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=508161
I feel better knowing that criminals may think I may be
"packing heat." Richard Dischinger, http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/3909201.html
I wouldn't worry about honest people next to me in church carrying
guns," said Sen. Michael Jungbauer, R-East Bethel, a graduate of Moody
Bible Institute. "But I would worry about the criminals." Star
Tribune
April 29, 2003 http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/concealcarry.htm
Freedom Wins; Criminals Lose
I
don't know that I have a huge problem with this - although you can bet when the
next church massacre happens, it'll be at a posted (no guns) church. http://www.shotinthedark.info/archives/005702.html
The House vote
(2005) comes one day after all House members received an e-mail threatening
them if they don't vote in favor of the legislation.
Referring to attempts to amend the Carry and Conceal bill, referring
to alternatives being put out by the Democrats – “And the saddest part is, none of this is
going to have any effect on violent crime” - John Caile, who represents the
interest group Concealed-Carry Reform Now - May 2003
Let's get this
very successful, now documented successful law back on the books where it
belongs” John Caile, with the gun rights group, Conceal Carry Reform Now!
Talking about passing the law in 2005 after struck down in 2003
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/04/27_scheckt_guns/ What’s funny about this quote is there
was no documentation at all when he said this.
But backers say the law actually makes the state a safer place by
raising the minimum age of gun owners from 18 to 21, and by making all
applicants go through the safety training. By Patrick Condon, Associated Press
Writer http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1409748/posts This never was true, just make believe
like a lot of the GOP/pro gun guy promises.
"Women want to be more self-reliant; they want to
protect their homes and children on their own," Russ Thurman http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/3911277.html
Something against the carry and conceal aw that was
dismissed, but absolutely correct:
Also, the dozen states with the highest rates of firearm deaths all have
the system Minnesota is adopting. - http://www.spectatornews.com/opinion/2003/05/01/spectator-staff-editorial-guns-galore/#sthash.rw4fQWZV.dpuf
David Gadberry wrote:
> If you are in a
situation where deadly force might be required to
> protect yourself or
a loved one do you actually think that
> the police will be
around to deal with the situation???
> Of course not - the
police can't (and shouldn't) be everywhere. Michael Atherton
Right-to-Carry States
Since 1991, the number of privately owned firearms
in the U.S. has increased by 70-75 million, the number of right-to-carry states
has increased from 15 to 40, and violent crime has decreased 38%. Violent
Crime
Three out of four violent crimes committed in the U.S. do not involve
firearms. Since 1991, the number of privately owned firearms in the U.S. has
increased by 70-75 million, and the nation's murder rate has decreased 43%.
(BATFE and FBI) NRA website
In regards to the
first case of a Conceal and Carry permit holder shooting another individual
"The guy decided to be a murderer. His permit had nothing to do with it”
Joe Olson, president of Concealed Carry Reform Now http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/05/18_scheckt_guns/
“The facts are every time guns have been allowed, concealed-carry has
been allowed, the crime rate has gone down.” -Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.), on “Fox News Sunday,” Dec. 16, 2012
Then there is this, a look at part of the real motivation
of the pro gun crowd:
How, a lot of those are directly on point too!
So now, a intellectual coward like Chris will say, "that doesn't matter! It's all about personal safety!" Are you implying, that ever since the law was finally passed in 2005, not one Carry and Conceal person has been around a crime as it's happened? If it's about personal safety, and they had the chance to use the weapon, why didn't they? We can deduce then either the gun was useless because the person realized they were in over their head, or they were too afraid to use it. Regardless, crime has happened, people with guns have been around those crimes, and they have done nothing to make themselves, or the people around them, safer, outside of not using the weapon.
Keep your weapons at home. Know your arguments about Carry and Conceal have been exposed as the lies they are.
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